Student Classes
Students
attending NDU who are not considered as being at the university
level yet are classified as follows:
| a.1. |
Class |
|
Remedial/Intensive |
0 credit |
| a.2. |
Class |
Number of Credits Completed(on courses of 100 level and below
200 level) |
|
Freshman |
1–30 credits |
b. Undergraduate students in the Faculties of
FAAD and FE are classified as being in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or
5th year class according to the number of credits completed as specified
in their respective suggested programs.
c. Undergraduate students in the Faculties of FBAE,
FH, FNAS and FPSPAD are classified as follows:
| Class |
Number of Credits Completed (on courses of 200 level or higher) |
| Sophomore |
31-60 credits |
| Junior |
61-90 credits |
| Senior |
91 and more |
Full-Time Students
Undergraduate
degree students registering for at least 12 credits for the Fall
or Spring semester are considered full-time students. Hence, all
undergraduate students admitted on a full-time basis must register
for at least 12 credits in each semester.
Part-Time Students
Undergraduate
degree students registering for less than 12 credits for the Fall
or Spring semester are considered part-time students. A part-time
student shall not be qualified for any kind of financial aid.
Special Students or Non-Degree Students
Undergraduate students who are taking courses at NDU for credits
but not working toward a degree are considered Special Students
or Non-Degree Students. Non-degree students shall be accepted on
a semester-to-semester basis. Initial applications shall be made
through the Office of Admissions and thereafter through the Office
of the Registrar. Such students shall meet the academic standards
required of degree students and shall neither be permitted to audit
courses nor be qualified for any kind of financial aid.
Transfer Students
The University
does not accept transfer applications at the Freshman level, but
accepts transfer applications at the Sophomore level, First-year
level and/or higher.
Applicants who have completed at least 12 credits at the Sophomore
level and/or First year level outside NDU with at least a cumulative
GPA of 2.0/4.0 beyond their secondary school education, and have
been accepted by NDU’s Admissions Office to register for full-time
load during the Fall or Spring semester are considered transfer
students. These students may receive credits for all courses passed
with a grade of C or better, and that are equivalent in quality
and quantity to NDU courses. However, only courses completed at
NDU will be computed in their GPAs. Transfer students to the Faculties
of FNAS, FBAE, FH or FPSPAD are required to complete at least 30
credits at NDU with a cumulative GPA of 2.0/4.0, and must satisfy
all other graduation requirements for the degree. However, transfer
students to the Faculties of FAAD or FE are required to complete
at least 45 credits at NDU with a cumulative GPA of 2.0/4.0 and
must satisfy all other graduation requirements for the degree.
Auditors
An auditor is
an individual who has been admitted to course(s) while satisfying
the requirements for admission to this course as deemed appropriate.
He/she is required to pay 75% of the course(s) tuition. Once an
auditor is registered, he/she cannot change his/her status back
to credit. Grades and credits will not be given for auditing course(s)
and hence cannot be counted for enrollment certification, and for
financial aid purposes.
Hours of Classes
Usually,
classes are held Monday-Friday. However, some classes may be held
on Saturday.
During semesters, classes start at 8:00 a.m. However, some four-credit
courses may start at 7:30 a.m. For summer sessions classes start
at 7:30 am.
Attendance Policy
Student
should attend all classes and laboratory sessions on time. A pattern
of absences, whether authorized or not, and even below the maximum
number (specified below), may alter one’s grade substantially.
The SAO alone authorizes absences. No absence absolves a student
from the responsibility of acting upon the material presented during
his/her absence. The maximum number absences for classes that meet
on MWF is six; the maximum number for classes that meet on TTH and
in the summer is four, (or two hours per credit course). Any student
whose absences exceed the maximum limits shall automatically fail
the course unless the student withdraws.
Examination and Quizzes
All courses normally have written final examinations. Such examinations
are not required in seminars, field work, internship programs, studio
courses and senior projects, but the instructor concerned may choose
to give one.
As to quizzes and progress tests, instructors shall give a minimum
of two per course. If, for a legitimate reason acceptable to the
instructor of the course, a student misses a quiz, he/she should
arrange for a make-up with the instructor of the course within a
maximum period of two weeks from the date assigned for that quiz.
Final examinations shall count for a maximum of 40% of the final
grade. Those exams should be comprehensive by nature. The remaining
60% account for quizzes, progress projects, tests, term papers and
other requirements as specified by the respective department. A
minimum of 40% of the course evaluation should be known by students
prior to the official withdrawal deadline.
Different sections of the same course must be given a common departmental
final examination.
Final Examiniation Makeup
If a student misses a final examination for a legitimate reason,
he/she should make arrangements for a make-up examination with the
instructor of the course and the chairperson of the department.
If permission is granted the student shall pay the University a
make-up final examination fee of 200,000 L.L. Consequently, the
final examination make-up shall be taken no later than the 8th week
of the next academic semester if a grade of incomplete “I”
is submitted to the registrar. In case a change of grade is not
received by the Registrar’s Office within the set period,
a grade of “F” shall be given for that course.
Graded Final Examiniation Paper
The graded final examination papers of a course offered during
a given semester or the summer session must be submitted to the
concerned Department Chairperson within 72 hours from the schedule
date of the final examination of that course. These papers must
be kept at the concerned department for at least one semester along
with a copy of the course syllabus, final examination and its solution.
Final Grades
After being
approved by both the concerned Department Chairperson and Faculty
Dean, the final grades of a course offered during a given semester
or the summer session must be submitted to the Office of the Registrar
within 72 hours from the schedule date of the final examination
of that course. Carbon copies of these grades must be left at both
the concerned Department and Faculty. Immediately thereafter, the
Office of the Registrar shall post a carbon copy of these grades
and shall mail to all students their semester or summer session
final grades.
Record Book or Blue Book
The original record/blue book of the courses taught by a faculty
member during a given semester or the summer session must be submitted
to the concerned Department Chairperson within 72 hours from the
latest scheduled date of the final examination of his/her courses.
This book shall be kept at the concerned department for at least
one academic year, with a copy of it signed by both the concerned
faculty member and his/her Department Chairperson shall be submitted
to the Office of the concerned Faculty Dean.
Transcripts
Upon request
to the Office of the Registrar, students can obtain within two working
days an official transcript or an office-use transcript of the credit
work done at NDU. Fees are 10,000 L.L. for each copy of an official
transcript, and 5000 L.L. for each copy of an office-use transcript.
However, neither an official transcript nor an office-use transcript
can be issued for a student who still has a pending account with
the University.
Change of grade
Once a
final grade of a student on a course for which he/she is enrolled
during a given semester or the summer session is approved by the
Faculty and reported and posted by the Office of the Registrar,
it shall be final in the absence of justified circumstances such
as evidence of human error in correcting the exam papers or in computing
the final score or in recording the grade, visual oversight, and
confusion in the names of students or sections of classes.
However, under justifiable circumstances, the student may petition
the concerned Faculty Dean (i.e. the Dean of the Faculty offering
the course) within 5 working days from the posting of the final
grades of the course by the Office of the Registrar. Not petitioning
for a change of final grade within the above mentioned 5 days disqualifies
the student from any consideration of the case, except for a force
majeure preventing the student from being at the University to proceed
with the petition.
For changing a final grade, the concerned instructor shall fill
in and sign the official form of the change of final grade, which
can be obtained from the Office of the Registrar, and attach to
it all supporting documents including the instructor’s record
book. If this change is approved by the concerned Department Chairperson,
then it shall be forwarded to the concerned Faculty Dean for final
action. Once approved by the Faculty Dean, the change of grade form
shall be submitted to the Office of the Registrar for implementation.
Change of Provisional Grade
The grades of I and PR are considered provisional grades. The
change of the provisional grade of I must be made by the end of
the 8th week of the following semester, otherwise the Office of
the Registrar will automatically convert it to the grade of F. And,
the change of the provisional grade of PR must be made by the end
of the following semester, otherwise the Office of the Registrar
will automatically convert it to the grade of F.
Grades for Repeated Courses
Students must repeat courses for which they got a grade of F,
UW or they do not get the required passing grade set by the concerned
Department or Faculty if these courses are required in the major.
They must repeat these courses immediately the next time they are
offered. Students may also repeat a course for which they got a
grade below C. For a repeated course, only the last grade, whether
higher or lower, shall be computed into the GPA. The other grades
are kept on the student’s transcript. A course may be repeated
only twice (i.e., such a course may be taken a total of three times
only). A student failing to successfully complete a course for the
third time will have to precisely comply with the instructions of
the University Academic Standards Committee. The letter R will be
placed on the student’s transcript next to the course being
repeated.
Grades Upon Change of Major
Upon approval of change of major or area of concentration,
- all grades on courses taken by a student in his/her old major/area
of concentration that are not transferable for the new major must
remain part of his/her official transcripts; but must no longer
be computed in his/her grade-point-average in the new major. Thus,
these courses and their credits shall not be counted toward the
total number of credits required for graduation for the new major.
- all grades on courses taken by a student in his/her old major/area
of concentration that are transferable for the new major/area
of concentration must remain part of his/her official transcripts
and must continue to be computed in his/her grade-point-average.
Thus, these courses and their credits shall be counted toward
the total number of credits required for graduation for the new
major.
System of Grades
The University
uses the following system of grades. This system consists of letter
grades with their corresponding numerical ranges (i.e. percentage
equivalent, and the 4.0 point maximum).
| Grade |
Description |
Quality Point Value |
Percentage Equivalent |
| A+ |
Outstanding |
4.0 |
97-100 |
| A |
Excellent |
4.0 |
93-96 |
| A- |
Very Good |
3.7 |
89-92 |
| B+ |
Good |
3.3 |
85-88 |
| B |
Good |
3.0 |
80-84 |
| B- |
Good |
2.7 |
77-79 |
| C+ |
Satisfactory |
2.0 |
73-76 |
| C |
Satisfactory |
2.0 |
70-72 |
| C- |
Passing |
1.7 |
66-69 |
| D+ |
Passing |
1.3 |
63-65 |
| D |
Lowest Passing |
1.0 |
60-62 |
| F |
Failure |
0.0 |
0-59 |
| UW |
Unofficial Withdrawal |
0.0
The grade UW is assigned by the instructor when a registered
student has never attended a class or has ceased attending and
has not submitted an official course withdrawal request to the
Office of the Registrar. This grade is computed as an F grade
in the grade-point average. |
| W |
Official Withdrawal |
The grade W indicates withdrawal without academic
penalty. This grade is issued by the Office of the Registrar
only to students submitting an official course withdrawal form
by the scheduled deadline. The grade W is not computed in the
student's grade-point average and may not be changed to any
other grade under any circumstances. |
| PR |
Progress, Re-enroll |
The grade PR is a provisional grade, and hence
it is not computed in the student's grade-point-average. It
is used to reflect progress on continuing research efforts for
the senior study or the senior research or design project until
it is completed. If this provisional grade is unresolved by
the end of the following semester, the Office of the Registrar
will automatically convert it to the grade of F, and it will
be computed in the student's grade-point-average. |
| U |
Audit |
The grade U indicates that the individual was
an auditor or listener in the course. This does not have any
quality point value, and hence it is not computed in the student's
grade-point-average. Neither the credits nor a written statement
can be given for a class audited, and no instructor is authorized
to admit anyone as an auditor to any of his/her classes unless
the individual has registered as such. |
| I |
The grade I is a provisional grade, and hence
it is not computed in the student's grade-point average. It
indicates that the student has for good and justified reasons
not completed all course requirements, but there is a reasonable
expectation that he/she will successfully complete it. If this
provisional grade is unresolved by the end of the 8th week of
the following semester, the Office of the Registrar will automatically
convert it to the grade of F, and will then be computed in the
student's grade-point average. However, students, who are out
of attendance in the semester following the one in which the
course was taken, have one year to complete the work. Degree
candidates should be aware that an I grade received during the
last semester in any of the courses required for graduation
will automatically result in the delay of graduation. |
Grade-Point Average
The
grade-point-average (GPA) or index is the ratio of the total quality
point values divided by the number of the credit hours attempted
by the student, as shown below.
| Course Number & Designation |
Grade Earned |
Credit Hours Attempted |
|
Quality Point Values |
|
Total Quality Point Values |
| ARB 211 |
B+ |
3 |
× |
3.3 |
= |
9.9 |
| BAD 425 |
A |
4 |
× |
4 |
= |
16 |
| HUT 305 |
D |
3 |
× |
1 |
= |
3 |
| MAT 215 |
F |
3 |
× |
0 |
= |
0 |
| CSC 200 |
C- |
1 |
× |
1.7 |
= |
1.7 |
| Total |
|
14 cr. |
|
|
= |
30.6 |
The GPA of the five courses would then be 30.6 / 14 = 2.19
which is equivalent to a grade of C. Students are expected to know
how to compute their own GPA. Courses with a grade of W, U, PR or
I are not counted in computing the cumulative GPA. The same applies
to all transfer courses. Hence, grades for work done at institutions
other than NDU are not included in the GPA. Only courses and credits
may be transferred. Thus, the cumulative GPA is an average of all
the credit hours attempted by the student at NDU.
Academic Standing
There
are 4 kinds of academic standing for an undergraduate student at
NDU:
Good Academic Standing:
An undergraduate student will be in good academic standing if
his/her cumulative GPA satisfies any of the following cases:
| Cumulative GPA |
# of Undergraduate Credits |
| At least 1.5/4.0 |
1 cr. – 12 cr. |
| At least 1.75/4.0 |
13 cr. – 24 cr. |
| At least 2.0/4.0 |
25 cr. or more |
Academic Probation:
An undergraduate student will be on academic probation if his/her
cumulative GPA satisfies any of the following cases:
| Cumulative GPA |
# of Undergraduate Credits |
| Less than 1.5/4.0 |
1 cr. – 12 cr. |
| Less than 1.75/4.0 |
13 cr. – 24 cr. |
| Less than 2.0/4.0 |
25 cr. or more |
A student on academic probation shall be informed in writing by
the Office of the Registrar. A copy of this notification shall also
be sent to the student’s academic advisor. Such a student
must precisely adhere to the written instructions of his/her academic
advisor concerning registration, selection of courses and any other
academic matters. Copies of these instructions shall be sent to
both the Department Chairperson and the Office of the Registrar.
A student on academic probation may not receive a grade of W, shall
not be eligible for any type of financial aid and shall not be eligible
to be a candidate for or to hold an office in the student cabinet.
Academic Suspension:
An undergraduate student who is placed on academic probation for
three consecutive semesters will be placed on academic suspension
(i.e. third probation is the suspension) irrespective of whether
she/he is registered or not. If the third semester of probation
happens to be the first semester of the academic year (Fall semester),
the student is granted a fourth semester for the removal of suspension.
And if the third semester of probation happens to be the second
semester of the academic year (Spring semester), the student is
granted the summer session for the removal of suspension.
The student who is placed on suspension at the end of academic
year (Spring semester) has the following options to choose:
- The student may enroll, upon the written approval of his/her
academic advisor, in some courses at other accredited institutions
of higher education. The credits for the courses completed with
a grade of “C” or better may be transferred, as appropriate,
toward the requirements of his/her degree at NDU. The grades and
GPA for these courses shall not be transferred.
OR
- The student may petition the University Academic Standard Committee
to reconsider the decision of suspension. The Committee determines
the final status of the student in the light of the obtained GPA:
- If the Cum. GPA is 1.79 or lower the student will be placed
on academic suspension in his/her faculty but may, nonetheless,
register in another faculty at NDU following due procedure.
- The suspension may be withheld if the Cum GPA is 1.8- 1.99.
The student is given another chance to obtain good standing.
Academic Dismissal:
An undergraduate student will be dismissed from the University
if s/he fails to maintain good academic standing:
- During the semester immediately following reinstatement from
academic suspension.
- Upon the permission of UASC he/she has granted another chance.
However, if his/her semester GPA is at least 1.5/4.0, 1.7/4.0
or 2.0/4.0, as applicable but not sufficient for being on good academic
standing, as far as the Cumulative GPA is concerned, the student
will be granted another extra semester. If at the end of this semester
the student still fails to be on good academic standing (cumulative
GPA), he/she will be dismissed.
Academic Recognition
There are 2 kinds of academic recognition:
Dean’s List:
Students who have obtained a semester GPA of 3.20/4.00 or higher
at the end of a given semester in which 12 undergraduate credits
or more were completed are placed on the Dean's List for that semester,
provided they are enrolled on a full-time basis with no incomplete
grades. These students will be invited to attend the Dean’s
Luncheon held in their honor.
Graduation with Distinction:
An undergraduate student with high academic achievement will graduate
with:
Cum Laude (Distinction), if the cumulative GPA falls between 3.20/4.0
and 3.49/4.0.
-
Magna Cum Laude (High Distinction), if the cumulative GPA falls
between 3.50/4.0 and 3.79/4.0.
-
Summa Cum Laude (Highest Distinction), if the cumulative GPA is
3.80/4.0 or above.
Such distinctions shall appear on the student’s transcript
and degree. However, an undergraduate student who has been accepted
as a transfer student will be eligible for these distinctions only
if he/she has completed at least 60 credits at NDU.
Academic Dishonesty
Students are expected and encouraged to be honest and to maintain
the highest standards of academic integrity in their academic work
and assignments at the University. They shall refrain from any academic
dishonesty or misconduct including; but not limited to:
Plagiarism; that is, the presentation of someone else's ideas, words or artistic, scientific, or technical work as one's own creation. Also, paraphrasing, summarizing, as well as well as direct quotations are considered as plagiarism, if the original source is not properly cited.
Cheating.
Assisting in cheating.
Substituting a student in the taking of an examination.
Substituting examination booklets.
Submitting the same work for more than one course and the like.
Submitting papers written by others.
Receiving or providing unauthorized help or assistance in any academic work or assignment.
Intentional violation of program and degree requirements and regulation as established by the University.
Dishonest reporting of computational, statistical, experimental, research, results, or the like.
Penalties of Academic Dishonesty
Committing any academic dishonesty or misconduct will definitely
subject the student(s) to serious academic penalties including;
but not limited to:
- Failure in an assignment or a course.
- Suspension from the University for the remainder of the semester.
The student
- will receive, from the Registrar, a notice forbidding him/her,
for the specified semester, of occupying any portion of the University
premises, an denying him/her all University privileges, including
class attendance. Suspension becomes effective immediately upon
receipt of the notice. There is no refund of fees for the semester
in which the action is taken, but any fees paid in advance for
a subsequent semester are refunded. Following the expiration of
the term of suspension, the student shall be enrolled under probation
for one regular semester or Summer session.
- Suspension for additional period. The total duration of the
suspension should
- not exceed one academic year.
- Dismissal from the University. The student will receive, from
the Registrar, a
- written notice which permanently terminates his/her student
status. The same policy will be followed regarding notification
and the refund of fees as in the case of suspension.
Reporting Academic Dishonesty
If an instructor has reason to believe that a student has committed
an act of academic dishonesty, he/she must inform the student and
discuss the circumstances of the matter with him/her. The instructor
shall also consult with his/her Chairperson and take the appropriate
action. The Chairperson shall inform, in writing, the student’s
advisor, about the incident and the action taken. The student will
receive a copy of that letter. If the Chairperson believes the misconduct
deserves suspension or dismissal from the University, he/she should
forward the case to the Academic Standing Committee through the
Dean. If the student opposes the action, he/she can appeal by petitioning
to the to the University Student Affairs Committee through the Registrar.
Change of Major Within a Faculty
This category refers to a change of major within a Faculty. To
be eligible for such a change the student must meet the requirements
for admission to the new major. A student seeking change must submit
to the new department a change of major request form provided by
the Office of the Registrar. The new department makes the decision
on the student’s admission and sends a copy to the Office
of the Registrar for implementation.
Change of Major from a Faculty to a
Faculty
A student changing a major from one Faculty to
another within the university is considered as a new student by
the Faculty to which the transfer takes place. Thus, the student
must submit a change of major form provided by the office of the
Registrar, signed by the Business Office and by his/her advisor
and submit it to the Office of the Registrar, which in turn will
send the form to the University Admission Committee.
Change of Major by University Action
A student will be asked to change his/her major for any of the
following reasons:
- If he/she is on probation and fails at the end of a semester
or summer session in two or more of his/her major and/or core
courses.
- If he/she fails to pass a major course after having repeated
it twice.
Deadline for Submission of Change
of Major
The deadline for submission of the change of
major form for both categories is:
The last Friday of December month for the Spring semester.
The last Friday of June month for the Fall semester.
Graduation Requirements
Degree Requirements
Students are required to fulfill the following requirements in order
to be eligible for a bachelor degree.
- Completing all required credits for the degree.
- Fulfilling satisfactorily all course requirements for the degree
as well as remedial/intensive courses given upon admission.
- Fulfilling all other admission requirements.
- Maintaining at least a 2.0/4.0 cumulative GPA for the degree.
- Satisfying the residency requirements for the degree.
- Maintaining the required minimum cumulative GPA, for the major
and/or core courses required for the degree, as specified by the
concerned Department.
- Maintaining a good academic discipline.
- Settling all accounts with the University.
These conditions must be met with the degree requirements in effect
during the semester of the student’s first registration at
NDU. This shall also apply to reinstated students. However, readmitted
students must meet the degree requirements in effect during the
semester of their readmission, unless their readmission letter states
otherwise.
Students who do not have the required cumulative GPA of 2.0/4.0
for the degree and/or the required cumulative GPA for the major/core
courses required for the degree, but yet have completed all other
requirements may repeat up to 5 courses, as approved by the Academic
Advisor, to meet the required numerical level(s).
Second Degree Requirements
A student with a bachelor degree may register for another degree
at NDU after being accepted by the University. Such a student must:
- Satisfy all the requirements for the new degree in accordance
with the statements of section II of this policy.
- Have a residency of at least two full semesters.
- Complete at least 30 credits in the new degree over and above
the credits already used to satisfy the first degree with a minimum
cumulative GPA of 2.0/4.0.
Teaching Diploma Requirements
A holder of the official Lebanese Baccalaureate Part II or its
equivalent will be eligible for a Teaching Diploma upon completing
satisfactorily at least 18 credits beyond his/her bachelor degree
with a cumulative GPA of at least 2.0/4.0.
Teaching Certificate Requirements
A holder of the official Lebanese Baccalaureate Part II or its
equivalent will be eligible for a Teaching Certificate upon completing
satisfactorily 18 credits with a cumulative GPA of at least 2.0/4.0.
Graduation Check List
Two semesters prior to graduation, the Office of the Registrar must submit to the concerned Academic Advisors and students a graduation list of potential candidates for graduation for verification. This list must include the following:
- The already completed requirements for the degree
- The requirements, which remain to be completed for graduation
- The cumulative GPA for the degree
- The major courses and the core courses average
Once the checking process is completed, the checked list must be returned to the Office of the Registrar to finalize the tentative graduation list and hence send it back to the Faculty for voting at the end of the student last semester.
Conferring Degrees
Degrees are conferred three times a year at the end of the:
- Fall semester
- Spring semester
- Summer session
Students expecting to graduate must apply for graduation at the Office of the Registrar by the following deadlines:
- November 15 for the graduates of the Fall semester
- March 15 for the graduates of the Spring semester and the Summer session
Any delay in applying may delay graduation. The formal conferring of degrees by the President occurs annually at the Commencement on the second Friday of each July.
Potential Summer graduates can not participate in the ceremony of the conferring of degrees.
Residency Requirements
Residency Requirements for Bachelor of Art, Bachelor of
Science, Bachelor of Business Administration & Bachelor of Hotel
Management.
There are 2 kinds of government regulations for the B.A., B.S.,
B.B.A., B.H.M. and the like:
- Minimum Residency: A minimum of 8 semesters of residency is
required, beginning with the Freshman Class, or 6 semesters, beginning
with the Sophomore Class. Two Summer sessions will be considered
as equivalent to one regular semester. This period of time must
be spent at a recognized and accredited institution of higher
education; however, at least 30 credits requirement must be completed
at NDU with a cumulative GPA of 2.0/4.0, in addition to all other
graduation requirements for the degree.
- Maximum Residency: A maximum of 16 semesters of residency is
allowed, beginning with the Freshman Class, and 12 semesters,
beginning with the Sophomore Class.
Residency Requirements for Bachelor of Engineering
1. A minimum of 10 semesters and a maximum of 20 semesters.
2. At least the last 45 credits must be completed at NDU, in addition
to all other graduation requirements for the degree.
Residency Requirements for Bachelor of Architecture
1. A minimum of 10 semesters and a maximum of 20 semesters.
2. At least the last 45 credits must be completed at NDU, in addition
to all other graduation requirements for the degree.
A student who fails to complete his/her program within these specified
times, must petition the Academic Standing Committee.
Participation in Commencement
Exercises
The University encourages June graduates
to participate in the Commencement exercises. Summer and Fall graduates
may participate in the following commencement exercises provided
they notify the Registrar's Office of their intent by mid-June at
the latest.